Ted: It's January 2nd, 1980. I am talking with my Aunt Mary now. We're going to talk about Grandpa Hind and about whatever else we think to talk about. Did you have something you were going to tell me when we started, or should I ask you a question to get going here?

  Mary: Well, I was going to tell you about that land that Mother told us about when they lived up on that place. Grandpa Hind had to homestead it and they had to live up there, I think three months out of the year. So he used to take the family, and there was a little log house up on the farm.

 Ted: This is up on the hill in Smithfield, right?

  Mary: That's up where the farm is, where you have the dairy now. They used to go up there in the summer. When Mom was a little girl, they still went up there, I guess, while Grandpa did the harvesting, so he didn't have to travel so far every day. But Mother was a little girl. She said that Aunt Hanna and Aunt Lizzie, they used to walk down to do the shopping, and come back. I think they made butter and stuff like that they used to take to the store. In those days they used to take butter and eggs and things to the store for their money, to get groceries and things.

  Ted: Now, Grandpa Hind, I know, when he died, lived in that house Jack used to live in. Did they build that house, and then they built a log house up on the hill because they had to homestead it?

  Mary: They had two homes. One down—its on Second East now, in Smithfield. But up the hill they had that, and Grandpa at one time owned that whole section up there but he gradually sold two or three pieces. He sold a piece, I think to Ayre [?] Noble, before he went on his mission, so he could take that money to go on a mission with. But he used to have a pasture, and the city water used to run through this pasture, and there was a trough, a watering trough. He had the right for a watering trough to feed the cows, and he used to take the horse and buggy and go up there and milk the cows every night. And we kids when we was little used to go with him once in a while--go up there in the morning and milk them. His corral was right in the holler there. I think Bernard Hind has that property now.

 Ted: Is that that hollow where there is the little pond?

 Mary: Yes, that is where he used to have the corral.

 Ted: Where was his log house? Was it right there too?

 Mary: No, the log house was up on the canal there. It was torn down before we ever moved down to Smithfield. But that's where Mom and them used to live. They always tell a story about Mother. Aunt Lizzie and Aunt Hannah used to leave, and then Grandma would lose Mother.  And she would find her scooting along--this was before she walked--scooting along down the road, with her legs and things scooting along. She was going with Hannah and Aunt Lizzie. And I guess they chased her more than they did anything. But that's where the farm—and that there farm, your Dad has the deed, the original deed. I've seen to that. So its still in the family.

Ted: What's about your earliest memory of your granddad, personally, of your Grandfather Hind?

Mary: I can't tell you that, only that I can remember he had a beard.  And Grandma--of course it was 1909 when we moved to Smithfield, from Idaho. And Grandma, I think, died in 1912.

Ted: Excuse me, were you born in Smithfield and then moved up to Idaho?

Mary: No, I was born in Idaho, up in Teton Basin, they used to call it. And when I was nine years old, the folks moved down to Smithfield.  Uncle Jim had been called on a mission, and Grandpa wanted Dad to come down and run the land, and so they sold their farm in Idaho. Mother didn't like Idaho, and so Dad sold the place and they moved down.  And they lived that first winter up on the hill where the Lower processing plant is. That little log house--is that little log house still there?

 Ted: That is still there.

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Ted: Do you remember Grandfather Hind before he had his stroke?

Mary: Oh yes. I remember that long, he used to have this old buggy and Old Buck. He used to go over all over town with Old Buck. And he would shy. When automobiles came in fashion, why he just didn't an automobile. If he was going down the street and he saw something move, why he would shy up out away from things and Grandpa would have to use the whip on him once in a while and rein him in, and calm him down. He was a small pony, but Grandpa handled him. He liked him. But him and Grandma would used to take that horse and buggy to go up to Franklin, Idaho, about twice a year. They'd take Old Buck and the buggy and away they'd go up to Franklin. It would take them all day, I guess, to get there, and all day to get home. But that's where they used to go, because Elliot Butterworth's family lived there, and Elliot Butterworth was a cousin of your Grandma.

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Ted: Did you ever go over and spend time visiting your grandparents across the street, and that kind of thing?

Mary: Oh yes, we used to go back and forth a dozen times a day, and get a cookie, and English tea biscuit, or something. We was always going back and forth. And Aunt Hannah, of course, she was home there, and she was the one that used to make us mind. We used to like to go up and help gather the eggs and take care of things.

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Ted: Do you know, did your Grandpa Hind build that house on the corner. I think of it as the house Jack lived in.

Mary: I wouldn't wonder that he built part of it. But I think when he bought that place that there was a log house on that place. And I wouldn't wonder but what one room is still log, that's been built around. I am not sure. But its not rough logs, but made out of logs.  Grandpa used to go up in the hills and get lots of lumber and stuff out, and he might have done that. They used to go up in the hills and bring the lumber out and have it sawed, so that they could use it. And when Grandpa and Grandma first come to Smithfield, before they bought that place, they lived in a house south of there someplace. It had a sod roof. And when Aunt--it must have been when Aunt Lizzie was born--mother said it rained. Of course she was born in late December, and they said it dripped through, and when she was born they had pots and pans all over to gather the drippings, because it was so wet they couldn't get up to re-sod it. And they rented that place, and then finally they bought this place and moved over there. So there was some kind of a house on it, but I couldn't tell you how. They said that it was when the grasshoppers was so bad. What year it was I don't know. But I have heard Aunt Hannah tell this story. She said that Grandma said that the grasshoppers was bad, and on this south side of this walk, running into the house from the west, they had a big onion patch. And she said one afternoon, a swarm of grasshoppers came in there, and devoured all the onions--just eat them right off!

Ted: I guess the people down here with their crickets weren't the only ones with problems.

Mary: No they weren't the only ones. But she said they were grasshoppers, because I said to Aunt Hannah, I said, "Were they crickets?" She said, "No, they was grasshoppers, not crickets." They had that big orchard up in the corner there, and I think Jack could tell all about that, because I think he used to go up there a lot with Grandpa.

Ted: Did Grandpa then farm. Is that what he mainly did to support his family?

Mary: He had the farm on the hill, and then he had--I don't know who has it now down in the south fields--but Dad had ten acres of that and Uncle Jim had ten. There was twenty acres in what we called the South Field. And that was where we used to raise our beets. Uncle Jim had the upper ten and Dad had the lower ten. And I don't remember--I think they bought that off of Grandpa. And then there was some ground out in the south field, out in what they used to call the School Section. It was always all waterlogged, but during Grandpa's time and Dad's time, they put tile down in the ground and drained all that water off, so that it made good farm land. That was out in the North fields. A lot of that land, I guess, nowadays, is quite valuable. I don't know who owns that now.

Ted: Did your Grandfather use to come over and eat Sunday dinner with you, or did he pretty much have Hannah cook for him.

Mary: No, Hannah used to cook for him all the time. I don't remember Grandpa coming over very often. He used to like to get out with Old Buck and the buggy, and that was after Grandma died. But then he had his stroke, and then he liked Mother and Dad to take him, after they got the old Ford in 1918--I think that's when Dad bought the old Ford car--what kind of a car did they call it? A Model T, I guess it was.  He used to like them to take him to Logan. When they went down shopping they pretty near always used to put him in the car. But he would sit in the car, and he would watch all the people on the street, and then he would come home so disgusted because he didn't think they dressed right! And Dad got the same way before he died. He thought the young people were going to the dogs because they didn't dress right!

Ted: I guess that is encouraging to us young people now!

Mary: But he relied a lot on Mother and Dad, and their advice--what to do and what not to do--Grandpa did. Of course, I think they took him out more and done more for him on the whole, than the rest of the family did, his other sons and daughters.

Ted: Did he like the kids?

Mary: Oh ya, he always liked the kids. He watched the kids a lot. And I think that's the reason they used to go over there. I think our kids got better acquainted with him than Aunt Lizzie's kids or some of them. There was a little jealousy there on account of that, too.

Ted: Where did Aunt Lizzie live?

Mary: Oh, she lived west of town, you know where the Cannel farm is now. Well that's where they lived. They lived out there on a ranch.  Uncle John bought that property when they were married. And when we came down from Idaho, they lived on the place just north of where your Mother and Dad are--what we used to call the Ewing home.

Ted: Across the street?

Mary: No, at the Rich's. They lived there, I think, until they bought that farm. And they bought that farm and settled down.

Ted: What would your Granddad do when you went over? Just watch you roughhouse or did he talk to you or play with you?

Mary: No he didn't play much. He wasn't much to play, and neither was Grandma. They used to talk to us, and tell us what we should do and what we shouldn't do.

Ted: Do you remember anything they said at all?

Mary: No. No, I don't remember anything.

Ted: Do you remember when they died?

Mary: Yes. I remember when Grandma died. She died on Bessie's birthday. Somebody come over--I don't know who it was--come over home and said that Grandma had a stroke in the night, she had her stroke in the night, and Mother and Aunt Hannah spent most of the day over there. It was on a Sunday. There was a skiff of snow, and I remember Aunt Lizzie sweeping the sidewalk out to the street, seeing her do that, and of course, we kids had to stay home. We wasn't supposed to go near. And then, she died, I think, the next night. But when she was buried, they didn't have anything like hearses or anything like they have nowadays. They took a hayrack, put a big cover over it, and put the coffin on that and took it to the cemetery that way. That's the way they took it. And I can remember I stayed home to tend the kids. I had our kids and I can't remember whether Aunt Lizzie's was there or not. But I stayed home and I remember sitting on the porch and watching them take the casket out of there and putting it on this flatbed, to take it down to the church and the funeral.

Ted: That was probably the first close relative that had died.

Mary: But Grandpa, I was living in Ogden when he died. And Dad called me at about 4:00 o'clock in the morning and told me that he had passed away.

Ted: You were married then?

Mary: No. No, I was working in Ogden. He died in '34, didn't he? '33 or '34.

 Grandpa always used to give us good advice, and talk to us, and tell us we should do this, and do that. He kind of watched for his grandkids to come.

Ted: Did he go to church much?

Mary: Well, he used to go to church until he had his stroke. Then after that, he couldn't go. But when they had the Tabernacle--a speaker from the Tabernacle down here speak every Sunday at 2:00 o'clock, that was his church. Aunt Hannah got a radio. And at 2:00 o'clock he'd say "Hannah, its time for the Tabernacle to come on." And she would put him over in front of the radio and turn the radio on, and he would sit there and listen to whoever gave the talk down in the Tabernacle. He would always listen to that talk. Of course, he couldn't walk very good, the older he got. He was ninety when he died. I don't remember him ever going to church after he had his stroke.